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how come the calculator says that (-3)^-4/3 is not real?

 Nov 28, 2014

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There's nothing wrong with your logic Melody; there are 3 possible solutions:

 

a3=(3)(4){a=(3×i1)(2×3(43))a=(3×i+1)(2×3(43))a=13(43)}{a=0.1155602123917725+0.2001561591961302ia=(0.1155602123917725+0.2001561591961302i)a=0.2311204247835449}

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 Nov 28, 2014
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Input was

(-3)^4/3

 

 

 

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I am actually surprised that the calc interpreted it this way.

I expected it to be interpreted as       (3)43      in which case the answer would be     

((3)4)3=1243=0.0041152263374486

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Now lets go back to the calculator interpretation

 

(3)43=(3)1.3333333333333333Error: not real

 

If I do this by hand I could get

(3)(4/3)=[(3)4]1/3=[1(3)+4]1/3=[13333]1/3=[181]1/3=13810.2311

 

However I have tried it on 3 different calculators and none of them will give a 'real number' answer.

When you raise negative numbers to fractional powers it certainly cause problems.

Consider when the numerator is 1 and the denominator is an even number, like

 

(9)(12)=9     there is definitely no real number answer to this.

 

(9)(14)     there is definitely no real number answer to this either.

 

I am not giving you a proper answer here.  I am just discusing your problem.

I think the calculators work these out with a generated series.  Powers of neg numbers just do not work.

I am sure that Alan and maybe Heureka and CPhill can have a lot more to say on this subject.

 

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Please note that  (-8)^(-1/3) works just fine

(8)(13)=(8)0.3333333333333333Error: not real

Correction - it works just fine on my CASIO - it does not work on the web2 calc

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I know this has been discussed before but I'd really like other mathematicians to discuss this again.

Thank you.       

 Nov 28, 2014
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Calculators often use the following method to calculate fractional powers:

 

If we have a = bc they take logs to get ln(a) = c*ln(b).  Now raise both sides to the power e to get a = ec*ln(b).

If b is negative they can complain!

 

In fact: (-3)-4/3 = -0.11556 + 0.200156i

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 Nov 28, 2014
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I know that is right Alan but what is wrong with the logic on my hand done answer?

Also

Why does  (-8)^(-1/3)  give a real answer of -1/2 on some calcs (eg casio) and 'error' on other calcs?

 Nov 28, 2014
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There's nothing wrong with your logic Melody; there are 3 possible solutions:

 

a3=(3)(4){a=(3×i1)(2×3(43))a=(3×i+1)(2×3(43))a=13(43)}{a=0.1155602123917725+0.2001561591961302ia=(0.1155602123917725+0.2001561591961302i)a=0.2311204247835449}

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Alan Nov 28, 2014
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Thanks Alan    

 Nov 28, 2014

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