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\(y = t\sin t\\ x = t\cos t\)

 

If you express y in terms of x and graph the function it will become a spiral. But how to express y in terms of x?

 

Also 

 

\(y = t\cos t\\ x = t\sin t\)

 

Will this be a spiral too?

 Feb 3, 2017

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Plotting t*cos(t) on the x axis and t*sin(t) on the y axis does, indeed, generate a spiral.

 

 

There isn't much point in trying to express y in terms of x without the t as there are multiple values (an infinite number) of y for a given x (and vice-versa).

 

If you plot t*cos(t) on the y axis and t*sin(t) on the x axis you get a spiral that curves in the opposite direction.

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 Feb 3, 2017
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just use the same formula but plug in x for y and y for x

 Feb 3, 2017
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sin^2 + cos^2 = 1

so sin = sqrt (1-cos^2)

 

y = t cos t        so  y/t =cos t

 

x = t sin t =  t  ( sqrt (1- y^2/t^2) )      perhaps?   Totally not sure   Good luck !

 

Well, wait a minute...... that was x in terms of y

 

x/t =  sin t          y = t (sqrt(1-sin^2 t) = t  sqrt(1-x^2/t^2)          A shot in the dark !!!

 Feb 3, 2017
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Express y in terms of x means no other variable exists in the final expression......

 

I am stuck at this step too......

MaxWong  Feb 3, 2017
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Bummer......hope someone can help further !

ElectricPavlov  Feb 3, 2017
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Hope someone like Melody or CPhill(wait he's online!!) comes out from nowhere......

MaxWong  Feb 3, 2017
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 x / t  = cos (t)

 

[x / t] ^2  = cos^2(t)

 

[x / t] ^2 = 1 - sin^2(t)

 

[x / t] ^2  = 1 - [ y/t] ^2

 

[x / t] ^2 =  [t^2 - y^2] / t^2

 

x^2  = [t^2 - y^2]

 

y^2  = t^2 - x^2    take the + root

 

y  =  √ [ t^2 – x^2]

 

y  = √ [ t^2 – t^2*cos^2(t) ]

 

 

Compare the graphs

 

 

 

 

cool cool cool

 Feb 3, 2017
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Oops. Maybe that wasn't a spiral.

MaxWong  Feb 3, 2017
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Max....maybe you're after somehing like this ???

 

 

 

cool cool cool

 Feb 3, 2017
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Yes! That's exactly what I wanted to plot!!

 

I thought y = t cos t and x = t sin t will output a spiral but no.......

MaxWong  Feb 3, 2017
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You might find this of interest :  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedean_spiral

 

Also.....some polar plots can produce some pretty neat looking graphs :

 

http://www.mathamazement.com/Lessons/Pre-Calculus/06_Additional-Topics-in-Trigonometry/graphs-of-polar-equations.html

 

 

cool cool cool

 Feb 3, 2017
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Plotting t*cos(t) on the x axis and t*sin(t) on the y axis does, indeed, generate a spiral.

 

 

There isn't much point in trying to express y in terms of x without the t as there are multiple values (an infinite number) of y for a given x (and vice-versa).

 

If you plot t*cos(t) on the y axis and t*sin(t) on the x axis you get a spiral that curves in the opposite direction.

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Alan Feb 3, 2017
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1.

\(y = t\sin t\\ x = t\cos t\)

 

2.

\(y = t\cos t\\ x = t\sin t\)

 

laugh

 Feb 3, 2017
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Thank you all of you (Chris, Alan, herueka, EP, and Guest #1)

MaxWong  Feb 4, 2017

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