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# If a triangle lies on A(2,-1,0), B(1,2,3), C(-1,0,1) with its orthocenter being H(a,b,c), what is a+b+c?

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Let triangle ABC be A(2,-1,0), B(1,2,3), C(-1,0,1), with its orthocenter being H(a,b,c), what is a+b+c?

Guest Feb 27, 2015

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Here's my algebraic approach, though it's even longer than heureka's!

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Alan  Feb 27, 2015
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Here's a Geogebra visual solution (sorry, I used D for the orthocenter, not H):

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Alan  Feb 27, 2015
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Thanks Alan,

I've never tried to draw anything so complicated.

But, I would like to see someone do this algebraically.

I don't have time and to be honest I don't think I know how.

Do you need to find 3 dimensional gradients ???

Melody  Feb 27, 2015
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Let triangle ABC be A(2,-1,0), B(1,2,3), C(-1,0,1), with its orthocenter being H(a,b,c), what is a, b, and c ?

$$\\\small{\text{  \vec{u}=\vec{a}-\vec{c}= \left( \begin{array}{c}2-(-1)\\-1-0 \\0-1 \end{array} \right)=\left( \begin{array}{c}3\\-1 \\-1 \end{array} \right)\qquad \vec{v}=\vec{b}-\vec{c}= \left( \begin{array}{c}1-(-1)\\2-0 \\3-1 \end{array} \right)=\left( \begin{array}{c}2\\2 \\2\end{array} \right)  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  u=|\vec{u}|=\sqrt{3^2+(-1)^2+(-1)^2}=\sqrt{11} \qquad v=|\vec{v}|=\sqrt{2^2+2^2+2^2}=\sqrt{12}  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{u_0}=\dfrac{\vec{u}}{u}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{11}} \left( \begin{array}{c}3\\-1 \\-1 \end{array} \right)\qquad \vec{v_0}=\dfrac{\vec{v}}{v}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{12}} \left( \begin{array}{c}2\\2 \\2 \end{array} \right)\qquad  }}\\\\ \boxed{ \small{\text{  \vec{H}=(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0}+ \mu [\vec{v} - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} ] + \vec{c}  }} }\\\\ \boxed{ \small{\text{  \vec{H}=(\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot \vec{v_0}+ \lambda [\vec{u} - (\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot \vec{v_0} ] + \vec{c}  }} }\\\\ \boxed{ \small{\text{  \vec{H}-\vec{c}= (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0}+ \mu [\vec{v} - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} ] = (\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot \vec{v_0}+ \lambda [\vec{u} - (\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot \vec{v_0} ]  }} }\\\\ \small{\text{  \mu [\vec{v} - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} ] -\lambda [\vec{u} - (\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot \vec{v_0} ] =(\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot \vec{v_0} -(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} \quad | \quad \cdot \vec{v_0}  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \mu [\vec{v} - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} ]\cdot \vec{v_0} -\underbrace{\lambda [\vec{u} - (\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot \vec{v_0} ]\cdot \vec{v_0}}_{=0} =(\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot (\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{v_0} ) -(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0} )  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \mu [\vec{v} - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} ]\cdot \vec{v_0} =(\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) \cdot \underbrace{(\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{v_0} )}_{=1} -(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0} )  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \mu [\underbrace{(\vec{v}\cdot \vec{v_0})}_{=v} - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0}) ] =(\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) -(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0} )  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \mu [v - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0}) ] =(\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) -(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0} )  }}$$

$$\boxed{ \small{\text{  \mu= \dfrac{ (\vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u}) -(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0} ) } {v - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0}) } \qquad \vec{H}=(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0}+ \mu [\vec{v} - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} ] + \vec{c}  }} }\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{v}\cdot \vec{u} = \left(\begin{array}{c} 2\\2 \\2 \end{array}\right) \cdot \left(\begin{array}{c} 3\\-1 \\-1 \end{array}\right) =6-2-2 = 2  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{v_0}\cdot \vec{u} = \dfrac{\vec{v}\cdot \vec{u}}{v} = \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{12}} \qquad \vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v} = \dfrac{\vec{v}\cdot \vec{u}}{u} = \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{11}} \qquad \vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v_0} = \dfrac{\vec{v}\cdot \vec{u}}{v\cdot u} = \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{11}\cdot \sqrt{12}}  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \mu= \dfrac{ \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{12}} -\dfrac{2}{\sqrt{11}} \cdot \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{11}\cdot \sqrt{12}} } {\sqrt{12} - \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{11}} \cdot \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{11}\cdot \sqrt{12}} } =\dfrac{ \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{12}}\cdot \left(2-\dfrac{4}{11} \right) } {\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{12}}\cdot \left( 12 -\dfrac{4}{11} \right) } = \dfrac{18}{128} = \dfrac{9}{64}  }}$$

$$\\\small{\text{  \vec{H}=(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0}+ \mu [\vec{v} - (\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} ] + \vec{c}  }}\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}=(1-\mu )[(\vec{u_0}\cdot \vec{v}) \cdot \vec{u_0} ]+\mu\vec{v}+ \vec{c}  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}= \left(1-\dfrac{9}{64} \right)\cdot \left[ \dfrac{2} { \sqrt{11} } \cdot \vec{u_0} \right] + \dfrac{9}{64}\cdot \vec{v} + \vec{c}  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}= \left(\dfrac{55}{64} \right)\cdot \left( \dfrac{2} { \sqrt{11} }\right) \cdot \dfrac{\vec{u}}{u} + \dfrac{9}{64}\cdot \vec{v} + \vec{c}  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}= \left(\dfrac{55}{64} \right)\cdot \left( \dfrac{2} { \sqrt{11} }\right) \cdot \dfrac{\vec{u}}{\sqrt{11}} + \dfrac{9}{64}\cdot \vec{v} + \vec{c}  }}\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}= \dfrac{10}{64}\cdot \vec{u}+ \dfrac{9}{64}\cdot \vec{v} + \vec{c}  }}$$

$$\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}= \dfrac{10}{64}\cdot \left(\begin{array}{c}3 \\ -1\\ -1\end{array}\right) + \dfrac{9}{64}\cdot \left(\begin{array}{c}2 \\ 2\\ 2\end{array} \right) + \left( \begin{array}{c}-1 \\ 0\\ 1\end{array} \right)  }}\\\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}= \left(\begin{array}{c}\dfrac{30}{64}+\dfrac{18}{64}-1 \\ \\ -\dfrac{10}{64}+\dfrac{18}{64}+0\\ \\ -\dfrac{10}{64}+\dfrac{18}{64}+1\end{array}\right)  }}\\\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}= \left(\begin{array}{c} -\dfrac{1}{4} \\\\ \dfrac{1}{8} \\\\ 1 \dfrac{1}{8} \end{array} \right)  }}\\\\\\ \small{\text{  \vec{H}= \left(\begin{array}{c} -0.25 \\ 0.125 \\ 1.125 \end{array} \right)  }}$$

heureka  Feb 27, 2015
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Thank you.      That is a masterpeice Heureka.

Unfortunately I do not understand vectors very well so I got lost fairly quickly.

I will try to take time out to understand it better.

I should  do some study on vectors.  There are just so many things to learn.

Melody  Feb 27, 2015
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Here's my algebraic approach, though it's even longer than heureka's!

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Alan  Feb 27, 2015
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Thanks Alan for that great matrix answer.

I need to have a proper look at all of these solutions.

We have not heard from the anon that asked this question.  I wonder which answer they were after?

Melody  Feb 28, 2015