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I do not understand this.

 

 

What is the degree of the function that generates the data shown?

 

X Y
-3 159
-2 29
-1 -1
0 -3
1 -1
2 29
3 159

 

I need someone to tell me how to understand this...

 Nov 30, 2017
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Some of the other mathematicians have got much better techniques for doing these but I resorted to trial and error and just looking for patterns.

I started by adding 3 to the y value because 0 to the power of anything is 0

 

x-3-2-10123 
y15929-1-3-129159 
y+3162322023216232=2^5 but 162 is not a power of 3 .. but 81 is 
(y+3)/281161011681 
[(y+3)/2]^(1/4)3210123 
         

 

so .. working backwards

y=2x43

 

I worked this out quite quickly because I have had a lot of practice but you should get a better answer off someone else  frown

 Nov 30, 2017
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Very nice detective work, Melody!!!

 

I haven't seen this done before, but it appears to work!!!

 

Since the polynomial is symmetric about y and appears to intercept the x axis twice, I would have guessed that it was a quadratic......but yours perfectly models the data....

 

 

cool cool cool

 Nov 30, 2017
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Thanks Chris,

Since the polynomial is symmetrical about the x axis, I guessed that the highest power of x (degreee) was even.

I could see a power of 2 would be too small but it wasn't likely to be much bigger.

 

I could see that if would look kind of like a parabola. With the vertex at (0,-3)

If I had been thinking clearly I could have easily surmised that the formula would be


(y+3)=a(x+0)ny=axn3Where n is even

 

The values of a and n could be worked out easily enough the way I did it before. 

 

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I did think there was another routine way to work out just the degree.

I thought you knew how to do tit?

Geno is the first one I think I have seen do it.. but I thought I'd seen you and Heureka do it since then....

Melody  Nov 30, 2017
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hectictar  Dec 1, 2017
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Geno's method is known as the sum of differences method......this would have probably worked here, but it's a bit of work.....I like your approach better......

 

 

cool cool cool

 Dec 1, 2017
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I did try Gino's method as well but it didn't work.  IPerhaps I have problems with primary school arithmetic  blush

Heureka has it working below. I will check what he has done. Thanks Heureka. 

 

Thanks also to Hectictar and Gino, yes that was what I was one of the posts I was referring too.   laugh

It was good to see Dragonlance's comment too. Another of our old favourites who has moved on.   sad

Melody  Dec 1, 2017
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xy315913022910030721128482240344822411284830722291001303159

If the function is a polynomial tabulated exactly (no decimal approximations), its degree can be found using a difference table, (see above).

If the function is linear, the entries in the first difference column (the third column in the table), will be constant

If it's a quadratic the entries in the second difference column will be constant, and so on.

In the table above, entries in the fourth difference column are constant, so it's a quartic.

The table with its differences can then be used to calculate the coefficients of the polynomial.

 Dec 1, 2017
edited by Guest  Dec 1, 2017
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Oh my god this is so helpful! Thanks so much guest! You should join Web2.0, the people here are very nice and very helpful!

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What is the degree of the function that generates the data shown?

 

xy31591302291003072112848224034482241d0=12848d1=3072229d2=10048130d3=1203159220d4=48350168450938873851247

 

y(x)=(x10)d0+(x11)d1+(x12)d2+(x13)d3+(x14)d4=(x10)(1)+(x11)30+(x12)100+(x13)120+(x14)48=1+ 30(x1)max degree 1+ 100(x12)(x21)max degree 2+ 120(x13)(x22)(x31)max degree 3+ 48(x14)(x23)(x32)(x41)max degree 4=2x43

 

expand see WolframAlpha:

 

 

If the difference di is constant, so the degree of the polynomial to calculate the coefficients is i.

d4=48 is constant, so the degree is 4

 

If the difference di is constant, so the degree of the polynomial to calculate the sum of the coefficients is i+1.

 

laugh

 Dec 1, 2017
edited by heureka  Dec 1, 2017
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Thanks to Geno, Melody, Heureka and Guest  !!!

 

Here's an algebraic solution.......

 

As the Guest pointed out.....this will be a 4th degree polynomial in the form

 

ax^4 + bx^3 + cx^2 + dx + e

 

Since (0, -3)  is on the graph, then  e  =  - 3

 

We can first solve for a and c

 

So we have that

 

a(-2)^4 + b(-2)^3 + c(-2)^2 + d(-2)  - 3  = 29

a(2)^4  + b(2)^3  + c(2)^2  + d(2)   - 3   = 29

 

Adding these, we have that

 

32a  + 8c  -  6   =  58

32a + 8c  =  64

4a + c   =  8        (1)

 

And  we have that

 

a(1)^4 + b(1)^3 + c(1)^2 + d(1)  - 3  = -1

a(-1)^4  + b(-1)^3  + c(-1)^2  + d(-1)   - 3   = -1

 

Adding these we get that

 

2a  + 2c   =  4

a + c   =  2      (2)

 

Subtract   (2)  from (1)

 

3a  =  6   ⇒   a   =  2

 

And    2 + c =  2    ⇒   c  = 0

 

And we have that

 

2 (1)^4  + b(1)^3  + d(1)  - 3  =  -1

2(-1)^4  + b(-1)^3  + d(-1) - 3  = - 1

 

Subtract these

 

2b +  2d  =  0

b + d  = 0       (3)

 

And

 

2(2)^4 + b(2)^3 + d(2)  - 3  = 29

2(-2)^4 + b(-2)^3 + d(-2)  - 3  = 29

 

Subtract these

 

16b + 4d  = 0

4b + d   = 0           (4)

 

Subtract (3)  from (4)

3b = 0

b  = 0

And    b + d   = 0  ⇒   0 + d = 0  ⇒   d  = 0

 

So......the function is

 

2x^4  - 3

 

cool cool cool

 Dec 1, 2017

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