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Ok. I joined this site in February this year. Even then we were asking questions, being polite, stuff like that. Members and guests alike asked genuine questions, gave responses that would make the question-asker understand. But now? More and more people are taking advantage of the generosity and intelligence of the moderators, admin, and even just the plain ol' members of the forum.

 

Let's see... People are posting AoPS questions, looking to cheat. PEOPLE THERE IS A BUTTON CALLED "POST NEW TOPIC" on the site. Press that and write whatever concerns you have there, and not here. Do it during office hours. Ask for hints. BUT DON'T CHEAT. 

 

Moderators have been getting messages from AoPS to stop this activity. YOU ARE VIOLATING THE AOPS CODE OF CONDUCT!

 

"If you don't understand anything, feel free to ask!" That's what I say at nearly any post I write these days. And many people yet still just say "IDK what to do" after I write paragraphs explaining the process. 

 

If you want to just obtain your answer and go on your merry way, without even looking at the problem, SORRY, you're not going to get the answer from me, and I'm pretty sure many people, such as Melody, and various other users agree.

 

Not only are you people cheating with AoPS, you are POSTING YOUR HOMEWORK ONTO HERE!

 

This site is called https://web2.0calc.com/questions/ and the title is "Forum". It's not called https://web2.0calc.com/homework_questions/ with title "Ask all yoru homework problems here"

 

This site isn't intended to answer your homework questions. This site isn't intended for you to cheat. This site is intended to post questions that could challenge the users, and/or to clear up any mathmatical confusion, such as thereoms, etc. That's the purpose of this. You don't see homework questions on the StackOverflow Forum do you?

 

And to the people who are posting questions that you could easily solve using a calculator. Just a few days ago I answered a question that read, "(4/3)^2".

In the time to pass recaptcha, and just getting on the site, you could have solved it using a calculator.

 

 

And so now you ask me what my point is.

 

MY POINT IS THAT EVERYONE SHOULD STOP ABUSING THIS SITE AND DON'T CHEAT ON YOUR HOMEWORK. 

 

And what measures could you possibly do to stop this?

 

Here's a few links

 

https://web2.0calc.com/questions/should-you-consider-anything-before-you-answer-a-question

 

https://web2.0calc.com/questions/the-effects-of-cheating

 

https://web2.0calc.com/questions/is-this-site-just-for-homework-now

 

The last one is my favorite.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with CalculatorUser.

 

Sure give me as much thumbs downs as you want. Sure if you want you could try to bring me down to - points. 

 

Even if you do, I DON'T CARE. 

 

I truly hope you can consider what was said above.

 

Thanks for reading to the end.

 Apr 30, 2020
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I agree, although I have done it before. One way that we could make the situation a bit better could be to ask question-askers to show their approach to the problem.

 Apr 30, 2020
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 While that is a valid approach, askers may just end up doing this.

 

https://web2.0calc.com/questions/plz-help-confused_1

 

They JUST WON'T REPLY WHEN I ASK WHAT THEY ARE CONFUSED ABOUT AND REFUSE TO LISTEN.

 

Edit: sorry if I'm rude i'm just really mad at these ppl

hugomimihu  Apr 30, 2020
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o _ O Well, that's just bullyism. Maybe there should be 2 boxes popping up whenever one asks a question (one for the question, and one for their steps that they have taken). Both shall be MANDATORY to fill out. If one doesn't, than one shall get a reply from anyone (to show their work). If one still doesn't, then that question will be removed!

CentsLord  Apr 30, 2020
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Yeah that's a good idea. Theoretically we could ask a moderator to relay this to the admin, but he's probably not oging to edit this site.

hugomimihu  Apr 30, 2020
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Good point.

CentsLord  Apr 30, 2020
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While I definitely agree with Humomimihu it is important to show all your steps and if possible not give the final answer. Furthermore, if the same person asked a similar question again Don't answer it because you already showed them how to do it. 

 

HELP DON'T CHEAT!!!!!

 

:D

LuckyDucky  Apr 30, 2020
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I will admit I have done this a few times, but i am mostly looking for the steps, I really don't care if I get 5/7 or a 3/7, I only want to learn the content, and sometimes teh message boards dont help. I think thats why many kids come here including myself sometimes come here to ask for help, while others only want answers. I understand your point, maybe people could ask for starting points instead of direct answers? 

 Apr 30, 2020
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I understand, and your activity is perfectly ok. Im just saying that the people seeking answers only DON'T CARE about the effort you put into explaining. So to prevent this, just answer with most of the steps or so so people like you can solve, and understand, and enrich your understanding of mat-

 

Ok i'm wnadering off

hugomimihu  Apr 30, 2020
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Yup I get. Thanks for this post, it really made cheater realize their loss of learning. They are also losing money by only looking for answers, hope they can learn.

VVoidSmiley69  Apr 30, 2020
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Tbh, it's really not about money. Well i guess it is, just not in the way you think about it.

 

People who think that they can cheat their way through life, are cheating themselves. You can take a SAT or whatever other test by cheating. NOT POSSIBLE.

 

If you do you prob. bribed someone and that's not good.

 

The people who cheat aren't doing anything but lie, thinking they have mastered a concept, but in truth, the people answering the question have mastered it.

 

And it's not one cheater. There are more than you can count. 

 

So these are the same people who just take the answer, and if it's wrong, they complain and don't acknoledge any effort from the member.

 

They believe that they can just ignore everyone, but I just hope that when they grow up, not physically, but mentally, as in when they stop being childish, selfish little kids, and be ADULTS, HAVE MANNERS, and respect, they will realize their mistakes.

hugomimihu  Apr 30, 2020
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Well, of course they're homework problems.  Why else would anybody post a question on here?  I didn't get very high in maths so I can't offer help with the calculus etc. questions, but I can answer the easier ones. 

 

I remember when I was taking maths courses, and ocassionally there'd be something I didn't understand.  It was not any help for someone to pummel me with axioms and theorems and rules that I never heard of.  The best help for me was for somebody to walk me through it.  I think it's called teaching by example, but don't quote me on that. 

 

When I work a problem for someone here, I don't just throw the bare solution down, I explain the steps, why I did what I did.  This thread contains an example https://web2.0calc.com/questions/help-asap-please_36 my post is the one that starts with "First we'll solve for AC."  In that same thread I asked for opinions about giving that much explanation, and received a very nice answer from EP. 

 

It takes longer to do that, and almost always somebody else posts an answer while I'm still working on mine.  That's okay.  It gives the confused kid two – or more – viewpoints of how to solve the problem. 

 

A certain percentage of kids are always going to cheat on their homework, but it'll catch up to them when they do their finals.  Just because some kids cheat on their homework, that's no reason for me to stop helping the majority of them who need help and honestly want to learn. 

 

Thank you for putting plenty of white space in your post. 

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 Apr 30, 2020
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I agree. What I meant to say was that many people are putting lists of questions to answer, or just perhaps asking 10 in 4 min. This just shows that they aren't going to learn anyhting. Yes I agree we should help people in need, but people just giving us their full homework packet isn't nice. Just no.

 

I'm afraid I don't understand your comment about "white space"

 

As a tip... 1) just give people the process and let them follow it. 2) Why don't you make an account? That way you are able to be accredited for your work, and not just have everyone sya " well guest said"

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I hypothesize that the increase is due to many schools be shut down due to COVID-19. Students no longer have quick access to their peers who would probably have provided the homework answers during a study all or other situation. A more benign reason might be students not having quick access to their teachers, who have become used a student regurgitating "how do you do this," and and are acustomed giving prompting questions.

 

Just a s point of context, I am here because I am a math teacher who found one of my questions on this website. I appreaciate the hint that you gave to the question and not just calculating the answer for the student. If you are wondering it was the pencils in the pool problem.  

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I agree that many people are trying to learn here and also some just want answers. People have already brought up that people who post multiple questions in a short period of time are just going for answers. This is nothing new. Many people here are actually trying to learn. Accusing them outright can be seen as rude and can scare off people from using this forum. I understand the basis of your accusation, but we can't just point fingers to people when we probably will never know their intentions. 

HELPMEEEEEEEEEEEEE  Apr 30, 2020
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As a reply to both the guest and HELPMEEE

 

To the guest: There's much less traffic in the forum, and like 10% are of the .uk sites. I don't know about other educational programs, but here in New York, we have a thing called "Internet", where we can go onto "Google Classroom" to ask questions, and we have a revolutionary thing called "e-mail". For some, we have something called "Mobile phone" with "SMS messaging". Sound familiar?

 

Oh yeah i forgot, there's something called "phone numbers" and we can call them from "phones" and "landlines". 

 

What you are suggesting is that outside NY these things don't exist.

 

I understand you are a teacher and I am a student myself. Yes, NYC was caught off guard. We scrambled for 2 weeks figuring stuff out. But we realized that there was internet and we could communicate over it.

 

As I would say to all teachers, "Thanks for educating our next generation", but to say that contact with peers being detrimental to learning is, no offense, ignorant. I'm currently learning NY Algebra II at grade 6, when people do it in 8/9/10th grade. Several of my classmates are learning same or similar topics.

 

There are many resources on the web- khan academy, wikipedia, even some AoPS features are free. Some students are deciding not to use these free resources and instead, they are cheating and not putting any thought into the work.

 

You say that you found a question you made on here? That means your students are not learning what you are teaching them. 

 

You say that your students would have told each other answers? That just states that your students are cheating BEFORE this. 

 

The purpose of this forum was to discuss hard questions, like i said earlier, not to be taking advantage of the members like "oh hey i realized you like to do math so here's my homework pls do it".

 

I apologize for the rudeness.

 

 

 

To HELPMEEE: True, but if you just told someone exactly what to do and they ask you, "wait what do we do". What would you do? The instructions are still posted. Well, I offered to explain. I started doing it step-by step. What happens next? No reply. 

 

No this is not an isolated incident. 

 

Even before the coronavirus, I have been on this site as a guest, and have recieved the same attitude from a lot of people.

 

Yes, we might never know their true intentions. But we can tell that the people who are ignorant to your process and seek the answer have intentions of "oh well look the answer's there let me just copy it"

 

RARELY have I seen a person say "thank you i understand" or "wait i don't understand this" after putting genuine thought. 

 

I have about 80 or so answers, and like i've encountered 5 or less like that. 

 

There are people who have "PLS DUE TMRW" and stuff like that, which mean's its HOMEWORK that they probably didn't ask a teacher or do beforehand.

 

Of course, people rush in to help since they are nice.

 

Then you have the people who make no effort to check their question. I had a question where it literally said: 

 

If *blah blah blah* cannot exceed [blank] then how much can he buy if each costs [blank]

 

or something like that. It just shows the laziness of these people.

 

Sure maybe this post will make people scared and for that you can give me as much downvotes as you want. 

 

Then you have the people who title their question as AIME, which we are like "Oh yay a challenge" then it says 2+2= what?

hugomimihu  Apr 30, 2020
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I understand your points and I see what you're talking about a lot. But I'm not the person to down vote because I don't like someone. In fact, I upvoted your thread because it brings up a valid point. The only problem is that I don't know what this can do. From the time you've made your first post on this thread, I've already seen many people post questions that are obviously their homework or something of the kind. Instead of being angry at this a more proactive path might be to brainstorm ideas on how to counter-act this.

 Apr 30, 2020
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Good point. I apologize for any rudeness, rants, or any offense I may have caused.

hugomimihu  May 1, 2020
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Well said!

LuckyDucky  May 1, 2020

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