One thing about probabiliity is that it can be really difficult to interprete what you are being asked for.
The other thing about prob is that although you may be able to understand the correct answer when it is presented to you, you often still cannot understand why your own original answer is incorrect!
It is an interesting and a frustrating feild of methematics. ![]()
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Hi everyone,
We were not swamped with questions today - it was sat/sun afterall - but there were a lot of difficult probability questions that took a lot of the mathematicians' time. As always there were some great answers provided by Nauseated, CPhill, Alan and Kitty(๑‵●‿●‵๑)
Interest Posts:
1) What happened on this day in 1879? Thanks AlbertEinstein
2) Interesting probability - students in a circle Melody, Alan and CPhill
3) Manipulating logs Thanks anon
4) How many 3 digit numbers are multiples of 7 Thanks Alan
5) Estimating the sqrt(6) without using the sqrt key. Thanks CPhill and Melody.
6) Combinations. 3 mathematicians, 3 answers, nothing like variety. Thanks Alan, Melody and CPhill.
7) Permutations - How many words can be formed. Melody
8) Another circle permutations queston Melody
9) Poker (we all got it wrong) Thanks Alan, CPhill and Melody
Here is a useful website that CPhill found for us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability
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Thanks Chris - that would be a good site for us to study from I expect.

So there are 858 distinct possibilities.
Maybe this is interpreted differently from how I interpreted it.
I interpreted there being 4*3=12 ways of choosing 2 of any individual rank.
I wonder if I was suppose to think of all those as the same?
Mmm this definitely requires more study and consideration. ヽ(•́o•̀)ノ
3!*4! but I think this should be divided by 2 because each clockwise possibilty has an anticlockwise possiblility tht would be classed as the same.
so I think
$${\frac{{\mathtt{3}}{!}{\mathtt{\,\times\,}}{\mathtt{4}}{!}}{{\mathtt{2}}}} = {\mathtt{72}}$$
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this is something we have been debating today so I am going to try and look at an easier question and see what happens.
I am going to have just 4 children sitting in a circle they will be ABC and D
no restrictions except that clockwise is considered the same as anticlockwise so, fo instance,
ABCD = ADCB
I think there should be 3!/2 ways = 3 ways Mmm
ABCD = BCDA = CDAB=DABC now counter clockwise = DCBA=ADCB=BADC=CBAD 8 all the same
ABDC 8 the same
ACBD 8 the same
ACDB 8 the same
ADBC 8 the same
ADCB 8 the same
That is 6 choices starting with A, there will be another 6 starting with B, 6 with C and 6 with D
that is 6*4=24 permutations.
BUT how many of these are really the same?
24 divided by 8 = 3
I have colour coded to show the 3 distinct possibilities
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SO I AM STICKING WITH MY ORIGINAL ANSWER ლ(o◡oლ)